Police Officer Shooting At Dog Hits Nearby Toddler, Leaves ‘Without Offering Help’
The family's attorney says ""There was
absolutely no reason for him to shoot. He was within 10 (or) 12 feet of the
children."
COLUMBUS, Ohio — A 4-year-old girl who was shot
in the leg when a police officer fired at a dog is recovering after surgery as
her family questions how the officer responded.
Ava Ellis was hit accidentally on the afternoon
of June 19 when an officer fired at a charging dog at a home in Whitehall, in
central Ohio, according to Columbus police. The department said another
relative had flagged down the officer for help after the girl’s mother cut
herself on glass.
Ava’s parents, Andrea and Brad Ellis, and their
attorney disputed the police account Tuesday and alleged the policeman fired
unnecessarily and acted recklessly with children nearby on the porch. They say
the roughly 40-pound dog, a bulldog mix named Patches, was retreating inside
from the porch when the officer fired.
“The dog may have barked at the officer; however,
the officer should not have shot,” attorney Michael Wright said. “There was
absolutely no reason for him to shoot. He was within 10 (or) 12 feet of the
children.”
The family also says people yelled to notify the
officer that the girl was hurt but claims he drove away without offering help,
and other emergency responders had to care for the girl.
The department identified him as Officer Jonathan Thomas, who
had been with the force for five years.
He is not on paid administrative leave, as the
Ellises’ attorney suggested, Alex-Bouzounis said.
The Ellis family and their attorneys are
conducting a private investigation separate from the pending police
investigation of what happened, said Wright, who added that it was too early to
comment on possible legal action by Ava’s parents.
The family says the bullet broke Ava’s leg, and
she’ll require further surgeries.
THESE COMPANIES SUPPORTED THE FAIRFAX COUNTY COPS SPORTS GAMES
John Geer is still dead
The cop who killed him is still on a paid vacation after two years
The cops refuse to wear body cameras
and the companies saw to fit to underwrite the cops....thanks for nothing
HI!
I'm John Faust
I am on the board of supervisors and I have never, not once, ever, spoken out or spoken up about the Fairfax County Police. When they shot and killed two unarmed men...I said nothing...and now I want you to reelect me.
YOU GET THE GOVERNMENT YOU DESERVE
Cursing out the cops is perfectly legal — but police routinely arrest people for it
TERRELL JERMAINE STARR, ALTERNET
Being rude is not illegal, even if some of us
sometimes wish it were. Being rude to cops, including cursing them out may be
ill-advised, but it is protected speech.Yet that doesn’t mean you won’t end up
in bracelets anyway.
As the Marshall Project reports, many citizens
are illegally arrested for cursing at cop, when in fact, their speech is
protected. A police officer from the McKinney, TX police department was
captured on the now infamous pool party video throwing a 15-year-old girl to
the ground after he accused her of mouthing off. He was later fired for his
actions.
Last week, the Washington Supreme Court threw out
an obstruction case against a man who cursed at cops after they were called to
investigate a disturbance at his home in 2011. In December, a Georgia woman was
awarded a $100,000 settlement after cops arrested her in 2012 and placed her in
solitary confinement for cursing at them and flipping the officers the bird.
Threatening speech is a different matter. If someone
threatens violence against a cop (“I’ll fuck you up!”) or challenges a law
enforcement officer to a fight, those are “fighting words.” Whether or not they
are meant seriously, fighting words can lead to a legal arrest. Other than
that, cursing at cops in frustration after being stopped or dealing with an
unpleasant police situation should not get you locked up.
Eric Guster, a civil rights defense attorney
based in Birmingham, Ala., told AlterNet that people should record verbal
interactions with officers because it will be a matter of “he said, she said”
if a cop slaps handcuffs on you for cursing at him.
“By the time a police officer gets his story
together, the police report will read, ‘The person said, I’m going to kick your
ass.’ Just like the South Carolina shooting where Walter Scott was accused of
reaching for the cop’s taser. Then we saw what really happened when the video
came out,” Guster said. “That is why I encourage people to record all of the
interactions they can. Sometimes, they can’t get video, but at minimum, you can
turn on your recorder, put it on your car seat, put it in your pocket, just to
record the events.”
There are no statistics available to determine
how many citizens are arrested for cursing at officers, but courts around the
country consistently rule in favor of defendants who find themselves behind
bars for using profane, but protected speech against law enforcement.
Last Thursday, the Court of Appeals in Manhattan
overturned the conviction of Richard Gonzalez, who had been charged with
disorderly conduct and possession of a weapon after he ranted and raved
expletives at cops. He was convicted and sentenced to three and a half to seven
years in prison. The appeals court ruled Gonzalez wasn’t engaged in disorderly
conduct just by virtue of shouting obscenities, and that this behavior wasn’t a
“potential or immediate public problem.” And because he didn’t commit a crime,
the cops had no probable cause to search him.
Eric Sanders, a civil rights attorney who served
as a police officer in the NYPD for more than 12 years, told AlterNet that most
of the cops making these arrests should never have been given a badge and a
gun.
“There are too many people who don’t belong in
policing,” said Sanders, who has spent much of his legal career suing the NYPD
for various civil rights allegations.“That is never addressed by anybody.
You’re supposed to have thick skin. They teach you that in the police academy.
You represent the government, and when you represent the government, it is not
always favored by the people. So what? As long as they are following the law,
who cares?”
The use of vulgar speech against police officers
came to a head during the late 1980s when N.W.A. released Straight Outta
Compton, which featured a track titled, “Fuck the Police.” Many officers who
served as security for music concerts refused to protect the young hip hop
group when they toured the country. During a Detroit concert, policerushed to
the stage after Ice Cube started speaking lyrics from the song. The group fled
the stage and were later questioned by the cops. No one was charged. Asked why
the officers rushed the stage, one was quoted as saying, “We just wanted to
show the kids that you can’t say ‘Fuck the Police’ in Detroit.”
Sanders believes the reaction to N.W.A. was
purely racial. White America, he says, wasn’t ready to hear a group of young
black men use music to express speech that challenged police authority—and it
still isn’t.
“Privileged white people talk about the
government all day long on television,” he said. “Rush Limbaugh and others say
all kinds of things about the government. You see them being arrested? They’re
not going to have street encounters. The average person walking around in the
neighborhood is likely to have street encounters because the police
interactions with them are diametrically different than what would occur on the
Upper East Side.”
People are often charged with disorderly conduct
for cursing at officers. In 2012, the ACLU of New York found that black
students in city schools made up a majority of the disorderly conduct summonses
for the 2011-2012 school year. Last year, the New York Daily News reported
that, between 2001 and 2013, a disproportionate number of minorities were
arrested for disorderly conduct under “broken windows.” In Minneapolis, a black
person is 8.86 times more likely to be arrested than a white person for
disorderly conduct, according to the ACLU.
While it is not known exactly how many of these
arrests are the result of profanity being used toward police officers, it does
reveal a trend of hyper-policing that troubles Sanders.
“As long as they are not breaking the law, people
are allowed to have their First Amendment right to say, ‘Fuck the police.’ It’s
reality. ‘Fuck the police. I hate all cops.’ Is it a nice thing to hear? No.
But is it legal? Sure it is. There is no law against that,” he said.
That may be so, but Guster warns that it’s still
smart to keep your cool during a stop or interaction with law enforcement. The
hassle going to court to fight the case, pay bail and secure a lawyer may not
be worth it.
“You can cuss at them all day, but they can
arrest you, although it’s not legal,” he said. “It’s just the trouble of
dealing with it later on that is the problem. And the police know that.”
THESE COMPANIES SUPPORTED THE FAIRFAX COUNTY COPS SPORTS GAMES
John Geer is still dead
The cop who killed him is still on a paid vacation after two years
The cops refuse to wear body cameras
and the companies saw to fit to underwrite the cops....thanks for nothing
HI!
I'm John Faust
I am on the board of supervisors and I have never, not once, ever, spoken out or spoken up about the Fairfax County Police. When they shot and killed two unarmed men...I said nothing...and now I want you to reelect me.
YOU GET THE GOVERNMENT YOU DESERVE
The cops body count so far
This Is How Many People Police Have Killed So Far This Year
by Carimah Townes
At least 550 people — many of whom were unarmed and/or
mentally ill — have been killed by police in the first six months of the year.
A Guardian database, which puts the figure at 545, shows Caucasians have been
killed more than any other race or ethnic group this year, but blacks and
Latinos have been killed at higher rates. Nearly 120 people were unarmed. And
by the Washington Post’s count, 461 people have been shot and killed by an
on-duty officer.
In June alone, cops killed 75 people. At least 60 of
those people were shot.
The growing count is alarming, yet there’s also been a
proliferation of databases tracking lethal police encounters more closely than
ever. Law enforcement has been killing people for decades, however a dearth of
reliable national data obscured the number deaths caused by police in years
past. But with police brutality becoming more visible, thanks to social media
and traditional news media, the need to catalog relevant demographic and
geographic information about victims has quickly become a national priority.
You can read about some of the more egregious cases in
February, March, April, and May, but here are some of the heinous incidents from
the past month.
Deng Manyoun; Louisville, KY: One of the “Lost Boys of
Sudan” who immigrated to the U.S. to escape a brutal civil war, Manyoun was
shot and killed for rushing at an officer with a 7-foot flag pole. The
35-year-old was stumbling on a sidewalk when he was approached by Officer
Nathan Blanford, who was driving by in a squad car. Surveillance footage shows
the two arguing before Manyoun disappears and returns with the pole. Manyoun
then swings the pole at Blanford, who fires his weapon twice. Manyoun died of
gunshot wounds, at a local hospital.
Amid public backlash, Louisville Metro Police Chief
Steve Conrad maintains Blanford’s actions were justified. But protesters argue
the officer should have used non-lethal force, especially since Manyoun was
visibly intoxicated.
Spencer Lee McCain; Owing Mills, MD: The unarmed black
man was shot and killed by three Baltimore County police officers responding to
a domestic disturbance call. When they arrived at the home of Shannon Sulton,
officers reported they heard screams and forced their way into the house. All
three fired, later saying McCain was in a “defensive position” and moving in a
way that signaled he had a weapon. Nineteen shell cases were found after the
shooting, although no weapon was discovered. Sulton was bruised and cut.
Two children, including a 10-year-old who initially
called and alerted his grandmother about the disturbance, were present at the
time of the shooting — highlighting another major flaw in modern-day policing.
Due to inadequate training, police who confront parents in the presence of
their kids wind up traumatizing the children, especially when officers are
responding to domestic violence calls. Experts say cops should refrain from
drawing their weapons or cuffing suspects in front of children. But officers
who do use forceful tactics wind up exacerbating children’s emotional distress,
making them “feel helpless” and “blame themselves for not preventing the
violence, or for causing it.”
Walter William DeLeon; Los Feliz, CA: An unarmed
48-year-old man was shot in the head and killed by Officer Cairo Palacios
because the cop thought a towel wrapped around the victim’s hand was concealing
a weapon. Then the man was rolled over and handcuffed. Both the officer
involved and his partner allege they were stuck in traffic when DeLeon walked
in their direction. His arms were extended and covered by a cloth, and he
didn’t obey the officers when they exited their vehicle and commanded him to
“drop the gun,” the officers say. Palacios fired when DeLeon continued walking
in their direction. DeLeon’s son later explained that his dad usually carried
the towel to wipe off sweat. The victim may have been flagging down the
officers for help, but the reason for doing so is unclear.
“At first, I thought it was like a random person that
did it,” said 18-year-old William DeLeon. “Then I found out it was the cops. I
didn’t understand why, because I know my dad wouldn’t do anything to provoke
it.”
THESE COMPANIES SPONSORED THE FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE GAMES
Cop Olympics To Open In Fairfax County, Va., Where Killer Cops Go Free
Dave McKenna
Anybody afraid of law enforcement should stay out of
Northern Virginia for the next few weeks. And anybody familiar with the police
in Northern Virginia should be afraid.
Starting on Friday, Fairfax County will host the
2015 World Police and Fire Games, the cop Olympics. It’s a huge deal for the
county. Organizers bill the soirée as “the second largest global multi-sport
event,” with only the real Olympics being bigger. Tony Shobe, sports director
for what’s being called Fairfax 2015, claims that about 25,000 visitors will
arrive to take part or spectate alongside the locals.
When the games were awarded, Fairfax County
supervisor Michael Frey gushed in a press release about all the wonders of the
area. “This is an outstanding opportunity for Fairfax County to showcase our
exceptional First Responders and the world-class destination that we are,” the
release read.
The sort of exceptionalism displayed by Fairfax
County law enforcement these days, however, isn’t something the locals really
want the world to look at. Take Tony Shobe’s workplace, for example. When not
promoting Fairfax 2015, he serves as commander of the Emergency Response Team
of the Fairfax County Sheriff’s Office—which is really the county jail’s
in-house SWAT team. His unit is now being scrutinized for the killing of
Natasha McKenna.
“You promised not to hurt me!”
McKenna, 37, suffered fatal injuries on Feb. 3 at
the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. Authorities in Fairfax County
routinely clam up when its law enforcers kill unarmed citizens, which happens
pretty often. (In fact, if stonewalling were an event at this year’s Games, the
hometown cops would be the chalk.) But the information about McKenna’s killing
that has leaked out in subsequent months sounds like the stories that came out
of Abu Ghraib during the Iraq invasion.
In late January, McKenna was arrested after
employees of a Hertz outpost in Alexandria, Va., called police to report that
she was being disruptive while returning a rental car. She fled when the cops
arrived and was later detained by Fairfax County police on assault charges
filed by an officer from Alexandria, a neighboring jurisdiction, who alleged
McKenna threw a punch during the Hertz incident. Because the charges weren’t
from Fairfax, the county would not conduct psychological evaluations of its
prisoner, who had a history of mental illness, and decided to transport her to
Alexandria. Incident reports uncovered by Tom Jackman of the Washington Post
detail how a crew of sheriff’s department staffers—including six members of
Shobe’s Emergency Response Team wearing full hazmat suits over their standard
armored outfits—entered the 5-foot-3, 130-pound McKenna’s cell. The deputies
cuffed her arms behind her back, shackled her legs, applied a device known as a
“Ripp Hobble” to connect the arm and leg restraints and thereby further
restrict her movement, and put a hood over her head. They then electrocuted her
repeatedly with a taser set on 50,000-volts, according to the Post.
Tasers are designed to temporarily paralyze targets
by shutting down their muscular system with electric jolts, typically delivered
through probes shot into the skin. But when the standard methods didn’t
sufficiently incapacitate McKenna, Fairfax deputies removed the probes from
their taser and just pressed the device directly to her thigh and continued
zapping her. That technique, called a “drive stun,” is used strictly to inflict
pain on a target, not cause muscular incapacitation; further, stun guns are not
recommended for use on mentally ill targets. McKenna’s heart stopped while the
deputies were restraining her, and she died when taken off life support
machines a few days later. The deputies reported that as they were inflicting
mortal damage upon her, McKenna was yelling, “You promised not to hurt me!”
Fairfax County authorities listed McKenna’s death as
“accidental” after a coroner ruled that she died of “Excited Delirium during
physical restraint, including the use of a conductive energy device.” What
happened hardly seems accidental. But the county has essentially taken a
“Deputies don’t kill prisoners, tasers kill prisoners” stance. The use of
tasers in the jail has been suspended, but no charges have been filed against
anybody involved in the killing.
The outrage over McKenna’s death has grown over the
months, as the Post’s continued reporting and editorializing on the matter have
been picked up by other media outlets. But legal authorities in Fairfax County
have done nothing obvious to quell it. The Fairfax County Sheriff’s Office said
shortly after McKenna’s death that the jailhouse incident was captured by
security cameras, but those videos have not been made public. The names of the
public servants who killed McKenna have not been released, either.
The behavior of the law enforcement community in the
county, rather, has provided a study in stalling. Take the county’s inert
handling of the taser used in McKenna’s killing. On April 21, about two and a
half months after McKenna was killed, Fairfax County police posted a statement
about how the weapon used to kill McKenna would be “inspected and analyzed to
ensure it was working within designed specifications.” Subsequent updates—one
on May 22, another on June 18—have reiterated that the weapon is being tested.
Exactly why it’s taken nearly five months to perform these tests is unclear.
“I don’t want to die today!”
An awful truth about the glacial pace and complete
lack of transparency in the investigation of McKenna’s killing is that this how
it always goes in Fairfax County.
As the police Olympiad opens, in fact, the Fairfax
County cops still have the killing of John Geer hanging over their heads.
In August
2013, Geer was shot by an FCPD officer in broad daylight while standing in the
doorway of his home, unarmed and with his hands up. The police had been called
to investigate a domestic dispute between Geer and his longtime partner, and
his killing occurred not long after Geer told the lawman who would end up
killing him, “I don’t want to die today.” Friends, family and neighbors were
among those who saw him killed. Several Fairfax County cops who were on the
scene told superiors within the department that one of their own, Officer Adam
Torres, had no good reason to fire the shot that killed Geer. Photographs taken
by neighbors just before the killing show him with his arms up. But despite all
the in-house testimony and civilian witnesses, Fairfax County Commonwealth’s
Attorney Ray Morrogh declined to file charges against Torres. In fact, Torres
remains on the FCPD payroll. The county refused to even tell Geer’s family who
killed their kin for 16 months, and only released that information after the
U.S. Department of Justice and Senator Charles Grassley got involved. Only
because of that outside pressure, a grand jury was empaneled in early June to
decide whether to indict Torres for the killing. But that grand jury won’t meet
until the end of July; the hold-up makes no sense, unless Morrogh didn’t want
the proceedings going on while the cop Olympics crowd was in town.
Officials in Fairfax County, Va., apparently hoped
to use the cover of Super Bowl weekend to help…Read more
theconcourse.deadspin.com
If Torres is indicted, it will be the first time in
the history of the Fairfax County Police Department that an officer has been
charged for an improper shoot. In recent years, FCPD officers have been cleared
in the shooting death of Sal Culosi, an unarmed optometrist who’d been accused
of accepting football bets from an undercover officer, and in the killing of
David Masters, who was unarmed and sitting in the driver’s seat of his car.
stopped at a stoplight when a cop shot him in the back. In explaining why he
wasn’t prosecuting Masters’ killer, Morrogh initially told the public that the
victim was not shot in the back by the police officer, despite eyewitnesses, an
autopsy, and photographic evidence to the contrary. Those mulling whether to
travel to Fairfax County during the cop Olympics should note that the place has
a history of allowing police officers from other jurisdictions to get away with
murder, too. In 2000, undercover officer Carlton B. Jones was sitting in an
unmarked car when he shot unarmed Howard University student Prince Jones (no
relation) five times in the back in the Falls Church section of Fairfax County
in what the officer said was a case of mistaken identity. Former Fairfax County
prosecutor Robert Horan declined to indict Carlton B. Jones or even bring the
case to a grand jury.
It's been nine years since police in Fairfax County,
Va., turned small-time bettor Sal Culosi…Read more Read more
“This is a very sad day in Fairfax County, when the
commonwealth’s attorney legitimizes murder,” Ted Williams, an attorney for
Prince Jones’ family, told the Washington Post at the time.
Fairfax’s reputation has led Geer’s loved ones to
temper their expectations that they will get justice.
“I think we’re passed the stalling phase, and now
we’re at the roadblock phase,” says Jeff Stewart, a close friend of Geer’s and
witness to his killing. “I’m trying to keep an open mind about this. But no
officer has ever been charged in the history of the department. How long do you
go before that record becomes questionable? How long before that’s considered
too good to be true? I know this: If this Fairfax County officer doesn’t get
indicted, no officer ever will get indicted.”
FCPD’s investigation was moving so slowly, in fact,
that Geer’s family settled its civil suit with the county without even waiting
for the criminal proceedings to play out. The county will pay his estate $2.95
million.
“I have never seen anything like it in my 22 years
in insurance,” says Chris Carey. He’s the administrator of the Virginia
Association of Counties Group Self-Insurance Risk Pool (VACoRP), the insurance
underwriter that holds the liability policy for the Fairfax County Police
Department and its employees.
Carey says standard operating procedure for VACoRP
in cases involving alleged police malfeasance is for all parties to wait until
the criminal investigations and prosecutions run their course. “The criminal
stuff [in the Geer case] took so long to adjudicate that we decided, along with
the plaintiffs, to just get out of it.”
The settlement in the Geer suit is being called the
largest amount ever paid by a county government in Virginia in a wrongful death
suit. Fairfax County is responsible for the first $1 million. The rest will
come from VACoRP’s coffers.
The policy with Fairfax County has an exclusion
against covering “personal injury or property damage brought about or
contributed to by the fraudulent, dishonest or criminal behavior of any covered
person.” That means that if Ofcr. Torres were convicted of a crime related to
the killing of Geer, VACoRP would not have had to pay out a dime. Yet VACoRP
agreed to pay out its share of the settlement—$1.95 million—rather than wait to
see if that happened.
“I’m kind of thinking: Do I think there’s a chance
he gets indicted? Do I think there’s a chance he gets convicted?” Carey says.
“And, geez, I don’t think so.”
Anybody brave enough to visit Fairfax for the Games
might be attracted to the featured entertainment offering from organizers: A
tour of the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center. Space is limited.
________________________________________
Natasha McKenna is not related to the writer of this
story. Contact the writer at dave.mckenna@deadspin.com. Illustration by Jim
Cooke
THESE COMPANIES ARE SPONSORING THE FAIRFAX COUNTY POLICE COP GAMES...proud of yourselves?
Two things: If the weasel cop had on a body camera this would not have happened and.................
it did happen and she'll get away with it.
After taking this police harassment life a true professional, Wells says that he was able to take a photo of the Police Chief’s personal vehicle, showing that it had not front plates either.
Cop Pulls Man Over, Refuses to Let Him Show Insurance, Gives Him
Ticket for No Insurance
Racine, WI — James Wells was driving through town this week when
he was stopped by a cop for a missing front license plate.
During the stop, Wells says the officer refused to let him get his
insurance, after she asked him for his insurance. The officer then wrote him a
ticket for failure to provide proof of insurance!
As the officer is writing up the various pieces of paper that will
be used to extort this man, Wells grabs his cell phone and proceeds to go off.
“When she came to the car and she asked if I have a drivers
license, I said yes, I have to look for it though it’s in my glove compartment.
She said no, I don’t know what you’re reaching for, do not reach for it,” Wells
explains the officer’s fearful tactics.
“When you ask me if I have insurance, and I reach to show you my
insurance you get scared? And then you assume I don’t have any,” says Wells,
describing the irrational nature of this officer.
“What am I gonna reach for”? asks Wells. “Am I gonna reach for a
football? Or one of my books”?
When the officer returns to the car to give Wells his seemingly
erroneous tickets, he lets her have it.
“This is the kind of cop that will shoot you! Right here. This is
the kind of cop that will shoot you.” exclaims Wells.
The cop then attempts to flex her authority even more by demanding
Wells submit to her a fingerprint.
“You’re not touching my finger. You had the chance to get my
license, you asked me not to grab it,” said Wells.
After taking this police harassment life a true professional, Wells says that he was able to take a photo of the Police Chief’s personal vehicle, showing that it had not front plates either.
Fairfax County Punk makes up the law as he goes along and gets away with it
Comments from You Tube
Bunny Boots Ink 1 month ago
What that cop did was very illegal and you should seek civil
action against him. You have a very easy
case against that officer because he violated your rights. I'm forwarding this video to PINAC
(Photography Is Not A Crime). This needs
public attention.
catrashoo 1 month ago
Its about privacy ,when the officer gave his statement about
the arrest ,the 1rst charge he mension
was about the ID THING , he was told that they were not going to charge
me for that because the law had changed back in 2013 ,and at the end of the
video he says why he was arresting me ,its all about privacy ,he invaded my
house ,my sanctuary . I know they are doing this to others who dont know the
law.
Ian Battles 1 month ago
And cops wonder why nobody respects them!
Nonya Bidnass 1 month ago
+Ian Battles No they don't. They know why, they just don't
care.
Aaron Hypnotoad 1 month ago (edited)
Fairfax, and Virginia itself, does not have any Stop &
ID statutes on the books. There is no law that requires you to hand over a
physical ID upon request or demand of an officer while in your own home. The
most he could lawfully get you on is if he was going to issue a citation and
you refused top identify (which you can do verbally) to allow him to fill out
the citation. But nothing requires you to hand over an actual ID. He was
completely in the wrong for arresting you for saying you were not going to hand
over an ID. Since this happened a couple months ago, what was the outcome? Did
they charge you with anything?
Atanas Tripzter 1 month ago
No worries if anything happens to him he'll get 2 weeks of
paid suspension.. paid by the person he assaulted .
David Scott 1 month ago
Criminal thugs being criminal thugs.
carib2703 3 weeks ago
Is there a Federal, State or Local Ordinance which places a
duty and obligation for a man or woman to take a govt issued document called a
birth certificate, travel to a Govt office, pick up a pen and write on a form
called an application, then pay a sum of money for a Govt issued ID or else
face fines or imprisonment? If there is such a Law, Statue or Code in any of
the 50 States then a person MUST show ID when asked by the police. But since no
freaking law exist anywhere in the 50 state, how can anyone be required or
obligated to provided something they have no legal obligation to get or posses
in the first place? Same goes for a name and DOB? Any written law anywhere
saying a child or parent MUST provide one or else face fines or imprisonment?
Wake up people!
Gregory gullace jr 1 month ago (Fairfax County Police)
your fucking corrupt piece of shit motherfuckers you fucking
pussy motherfuckerss
David Welch 1 month ago
These cops should have their heads on spikes. It's effective
to keep invaders out.
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